the rachel maddow show, transcript 12/28/10 - absorbent boom
Host: Good evening.
Thank you for staying with us for the next hour.
I'm the one you see on TV right now, because I'm the one on the main footage of this show.
But the truth is that there are people all over the world trying to make the show and make it possible.
If this great world is a pyramid,
At the casino shaped by Las Vegas, the shining lighthouse that can be seen from space, the top thing, the peak of our achievements as employees in 2010, including all the shows we make every second of the year, the best thing we do this year is this. (
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MADDOW: now we have a quick check on our audience pouch.
Audience Wyatt wrote, "Dear Rachel, you never seem to have used a highlighter that is always visible on your desk on the show.
Is it just a prop?
Highlighter is not a prop.
I put the highlighter here because if you put the two highlighter together it will be a lightsaber. This is not a prop.
This is my lightsaber.
Thank you, Wyatt. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: We haven't done anything better this year than lightsaber.
Lightsaber is perfect in every way.
Our excellent website Hazaa-
Will Femia, our excellent network producer (ph).
Will is one of a dozen producers who did well on this show.
The core of the producer's work is to help me, help us, and help the program clarify our understanding of specific news stories.
Our goal is that clarity cannot be achieved without the TV clips produced by our producers.
If this show is known for anything, I think I'll make us famous for cleaning things up.
In fact, I think we might be famous for such a study, as our producer, Mike yaviz, has entered this section on the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. (Start Video)
MADDOW: in Alaska today, crude oil production almost stopped on the North Slope.
Oil companies operating there were told that after thousands of barrels of crude oil spilled from transport, their production would be reduced by more than 80%.
Alaska oil pipelineThe 800-mile Trans-
At least for now, the Alaska oil company has closed.
Of course, the Alaska leak happened under the shadow of the larger Gulf of Mexico leak.
Actually, you know what?
If the people in the control room are OK, I think we should let me stop doing this now and let the solemn white anchor do this part. Let‘s do that. (
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Television news anchor: The pipeline has been fixed in Alaska.
Oil is expected to circulate again today.
But the cracks developed on Sunday allowed 1,500 barrels of crude oil to leak and 700 barrels of crude oil to be recovered.
Oil workers are trying to deal with bigger oil spills in the Gulf of Mexico.
A burning offshore oil well dumped 30,000 barrels of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico every day. (END VIDEO CLIP)
So, yes, it was from 1979 to June 13, 1979.
NBC News anchor reported the same day that an oil well in the Gulf of Mexico leaked out of control and burned. Thirty-
A year ago, in June 1979, an oil well explosion called Ixtoc occurred in the Gulf of Mexico.
It began spewing thousands of barrels of crude oil into the Gulf every day.
What you should sound familiar with is not just the disaster itself, but the technology they were trying to control the leak at the time. (
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Television news anchor: planes are used to put chemicals on oil, but there is a shortage of aviation fuel there.
The workers are also doing a mile. long boom.
They are in the process of trying to control the oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: chemical cleaners spread across the bay by plane, and a mile-long boom is set to hold the surface oil slick.
If you close your eyes and only listen to the 1979 news report, you will be forgiven --
Because you think you turned over the news today.
The outbreak of the Ixtoc rig in the middle of the night in June 1979, due to drilling oil in the Gulf of Mexico.
Drilling was done by a company called Sedco.
Sedco was later called Transocean-
Operator of the rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico this year.
The reason why the Ixtoc explosion turned into a large-scale uncontrolled leak 30 years ago was because the well blowout preventer failed.
The blowout preventer failed to stop the Ixtoc leak, followed by an environmental disaster that the country had never seen before. (
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Willie Monroe of NBC Newsvoice-over)
: The floating barrier still extends to a waterway near South Padre Island to prevent access to oil from destroying this popular sport fishing area, which is also critical for shrimp catching and endangered wildlife.
The apostrophe is also being put into use to capture any blocks of oil that may pass through.
About 5 miles at sea, another team of private oil security officers is preparing to intercept the drifting oil before it reaches land.
The Coast Guard has said it is impossible to get all of this, and they are particularly worried about the movement of oil under water. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: the plume of oil moving underwater.
Oil containment team, skimming the ship-
Again, these are not color reports from B. P.
Now the oil disaster in the Gulf.
It was reported from the land of deja vu, which is basically the same as the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, but happened in 1979.
The only thing missing at the time was the fear that loop current would take oil all the way from the Gulf of Mexico to the Florida coast --oh, wait. (
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Television news anchor: oil leaking from Mexico's oil well is likely to spread to the Gulf Coast of Florida --
An official from the Environmental Protection Bureau. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: The Ixtoc disaster in the Gulf of Mexico in 1979 lasted for several weeks.
Then a few weeks became a few months.
The reason it lasts so long is that although oil companies are allowed to drill at sea, it turns out that they don't know how to stop the leak when the disaster happens.
They have not tried. (
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Television news anchor: Heavy rain and waves in the Gulf of Mexico are holding back efforts to cap Mexico's oil wells.
It has been overflowing since June 3, the worst spill in history.
The workers are trying to put a huge cone on the well.
Despite the bad weather, they may try again today. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: trying to put a huge cone on the well.
In 2010, this huge cone strategy is what we call the "hat" tactfully.
"I was wondering if they had a euphemism name in 1979. (
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Reporter: Mexican officials call it Operation Sombrero ".
"The workers have been trying to invest 300 since the weekend.
Tons of steel cones above the runaway wellhead.
Once installed, the cone will collect up to 90% of crude oil, which has been pouring out of the well for more than three months, from 10,000 barrels to 30,000 barrels a day, officials said, float from the Gulf of camperche and the Gulf of Mexico. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Same as B. P.
The "Sombrero action" of the Ixtoc leak ultimately failed to prevent the leak.
But they had other ideas at the time and were sure to solve the problem.
The idea of shooting a metal ball into a well can reduce the flow of oil.
You might say this is a "junk shot" today ".
They also tried to inject cement and salt water into the leaking well, trying to block the leaking well.
You can call it "top kill ".
None of these work.
For months and months, the Ixtoc well continues to leak out of control-(
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Reporter: two relief wells are still being drilled to relieve the pressure blown out.
So it can eventually be capped. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Nine months after the Ixtoc explosion, a pair of Relief Wells finally let engineers build a leaking well.
That was 31 years ago.
I am 37 years old this year and this happened when I was 6 years old.
Those hairstyles are popular again.
Things that didn't work at the time were the same as things that didn't work now.
Same blowout preventer, same invalid boom, same underwater plume, same toxic cleaner, same invalid containment dome, same trash shot, same Top Kill
Technology is the same.
Ixtoc wells that cannot be blocked within nine months are about 200 feet of the water.
Now, in 2010, we are using the same technology to plug a well that leaks in 5,000 feet of the water.
Oil companies have been talking about how advanced their technology is.
But what they are technically advanced about is drilling deeper.
They have not made any progress on how to deal with the risks that follow.
In the last 30 years, when the leak happened, they did not make any technical progress.
What they do better is make the risk worse by putting these holes outside of what we can't reach.
Oh Hey, congrats, now the thing you can't stop is a whole mile underwater.
This is what they are good.
To make myself the most profitable industry the universe has ever seen, I'm not exaggerating. (
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Monroe: as oil continues to threaten the United States, it may reach Florida all the way, officials say. S.
Coast for a few months
Willie Monroe of NBC News, South Padre Island, Texas. (END VIDEO CLIP)(END VIDEOTAPE)
MADDOW: being able to connect points like this on a TV machine, whether it's digging the right files, talking to the right people, or going to the right place, it makes me happier with the best work in the world than anything else.
We will have more.
Please stay with us. (
MADDOW: given the opportunity to go to Afghanistan and Iraq in 2010, we are trying to report as specifically as we can about the media campaign that we want to abandon because we can, and so do.
Some results-coming up.
Please stay with us. (
MADDOW: Earth Day, April 20, as it happens, B owns a deep-water oil rig called the Deepwater Horizon. P.
An explosion operated by Transocean oil company.
There was a photo of the disaster that night.
But it is not clear what the impact of the explosion will have on the Gulf of Mexico and the US coastline.
Over the next few weeks, we learned that the rig sank, the well exploded, and millions of gallons of oil poured into the Gulf.
This is a nightmare story that has plagued the country for weeks or even months.
In the middle, we went to the coastline of the state of Luis Anna and did everything we could to understand what was going on and why it couldn't be fixed for so long. (Start Video)
We are in the Bay of Caminada.
This is the palataria pass leading to the Gulf of Mexico.
It makes you feel how subtle the impact looks, even if you are in it.
If you can see it now, there seems to be almost a difference in the texture of the water.
It's a normal water and you will expect it to look like this and it's a bit choppy.
But do you see how it has a completely different texture where there is a little ripple on the water? It‘s got—
It looks like there's almost a skin on the water, a really thin skin, which means there's oil here.
You will see this really thin gloss on the water, but you will see this gloss.
Our captain here says it will become very thin when the weather gets warmer.
It will gather more overnight.
Sometimes it's here in the morning, it's more what you'll see than it's here after a whole day of heat.
What is that slogan?
What are their signs, "Beyond Oil "?
When you first saw it in the water, you almost saw it, you thought it was a piece of garbage, you know, or some sort of garbage here.
Maybe even some dead sea creature.
Then you notice that it has the luster of the gas station around it.
This is the consistency of what is floating in the spots.
You can see that there is some vegetation here and it is covered.
This is how it looks.
You know, you see it on the camera, you think, you want to touch it and see what it looks like.
Once you see it in person and smell it, the desire to touch it disappears.
Look, this is not over yet.
"Except for oil," my ass.
If you don't know anything about how to use a boom to protect the coastline from oil, if you don't know anything about encroaching on the coastline, you may also know that this shouldn't be how it looks.
What we saw here
We are in Camillo Bay, right in the back water near Grand Island, Anna state.
What you can see here is that on this small barrier island, on this small land here, there is a accumulation of absorption prosperity.
Have you seen these bamboo poles? They all stand up.
The bamboo poles behind me all reached out.
These should be anchors that hold the absorbing arm.
It's not that easy to use.
We're with the doctor.
Mike Bloom from Duran
He's a professor of coastal swamp ecology.
Thank you for coming here with us, Mike.
Mike Bloom from Durham University: You're welcome.
Nice to be here. MADDOW: It's this --
This is wrong, right?
BLUM: No, it didn't do the work as deployed and designed.
You will want it fixed in place.
Even in bad weather conditions, we won't have such bad weather today.
We're at the entrance to baratari. BLUM: Exactly.
Obviously, there is a lot of oil here.
You have the same globe as we saw on the road.
On the way over, in the bay, this is what they look like on land.
This is my favorite pen. Not anymore.
What I want to know is what happens once oil lands like this?
Does oil flow in the Everglades in a way that we don't really understand?
Bloom: Well, what we understand now is that when oil deposits through waves, as we see it now, it accumulates.
It enters the soil directly and covers the soil.
So you don't have a gas exchange and you basically get an oxygen-free layer that has nothing to breathe.
MADDOW: lack of oxygen. Blocking oxygen. Bloom: no oxygen.
MADDOW: So, this is obviously not very substantial, we put a layer of oil on a small island and it becomes less substantive and more vulnerable to erosion.
Because there is oil on the island, the island is in danger of disappearing. BLUM: Exactly.
So, cover the surface of the soil and plants with oil, and if that's enough as it is now, you can see that it kills the plants where it comes into contact, choking them to death
You lose the anchor provided by the plants and you will quickly erode the islands.
These islands are endangered species or islands inhabited and bred by endangered species like brown pelicans. (END VIDEOTAPE)
Brown pelican is a state bird in the state of Luis Anna.
So, I think, if you look into brown pelicans this year, they might choose to disengage at this point. Stay with us.
I am filling the oil in a completely different way. Coming up next. (
MADDOW: there are more blessings than I do about my work, but let's start with an obvious blessing.
I can travel around the world, see what I'm interested in, and ask questions about the people I want to ask.
A lot of times I can do this with Richard Engel of NBC.
At 2010, Richard gave me the best tour of some of the most interesting places in the world that one might get.
Generally, though, this is not the kind of trip you will pay. (Start Video)
So, we are now in the vicinity of a call (INAUDIBLE).
On the distribution of wealth in Kabul and-
Richard Engel, chief foreign correspondent for NBC News: There is no distribution of wealth.
It is distributed there.
This is where it ends.
All the money comes from contracts and associations with the government, as well as associations with the United StatesS.
The army here is over. MADDOW: Why?
Engel: Because this is the original, you can see that there is nothing like a real sidewalk --
This was originally just an open space. MADDOW: OK.
Engel: When Americans joined the Northern League
The Northern Alliance, an ally against the Taliban, took the land and sent it to all relatives. MADDOW: Oh, OK.
So they created it.
MADDOW:-A New War wealth community with nothing. ENGEL: Exactly.
So, our sewer is still open, there is no sidewalk, but we have Rococo. ENGEL: Castles.
-The upstart Castle.
Engel: because it's a safe area, a lease of $10,000 to $25,000 per month.
But ironically, most government officials
These are almost all owned by government officials.
Don't live in it.
They rent them to foreign companies, contractors, they live in Dubai or have family in Islamabad.
So they are purely investment properties.
S. , this is the tax on your job.
This is the war economy in the interior of Central Asia.
We threw a bucket of money here thinking we were paying for our military efforts.
As our military efforts proceed, everything ends the flood, or in this case, command like a spray gun, not the flood ---(CROSSTALK)
The streets turned into muddy rivers.
MADDOW: but the money is not going to the country, it's creating an economy.
It only applies to the elite and the power brokers who can keep it on their own.
There's a lot of money in the war-
Contract, supply, transportation.
If you are in power, you will keep these contracts for yourself and establish such a community.
This corner is like a microcosm of war-this and this.
Engel: and these children.
MADDOW: so do we, because we are Americans here, because America's initiative here creates the economy and makes it all possible.
Communities like this have changed a lot since seven years ago?
If you come here in 2002, will this community look like this?
Engel: 2002 under Saddam, it's impossible for us to do this, walk around, go wherever we want, shoot, talk to people --Forget it.
I mean, we made some movies under Saddam. MADDOW: Yes.
Engel: but we have guards around us.
There are always people around us. So, 2002 (INAUDIBLE).
But will it look like this?
Will there be such a market?
Engel: Well, yes, it looks almost the same.
Maybe more kinds of things, more fruits.
Saddam did not have a good relationship with all his neighbors, so there was not much trade.
But it looks almost the same. MADDOW: Yes.
Engel: By the way, things will be much cheaper.
Baghdad has become very expensive.
You go, you know, people.
You know, a house near here might rent a decent two.
The rent for the bedroom could be $600 per month. MADDOW: Wow.
Engel: because it's near. MADDOW: Yes.
Engel: it will be very, very cheap under Saddam.
What we're talking about is $50, $60.
So life becomes more expensive.
MADDOW: it's much more expensive.
What is the comparison-
Service does not work either.
Service, that's what I'm going to say.
Engel: and it doesn't work.
Water, you know. ENGEL: Nothing—
Water and electricity are connected. MADDOW: OK.
Engel: So, you have to be able to pump water to the surrounding water.
Everyone is stealing power from each other.
There is a generator.
And it's not just-
The power is small. It is—It does not work.
So when you have energy in your house, Zohair (ph)
-My friend Zohair.
He lives in one of the best neighborhoods in town. MADDOW: Yes.
Engel: he paid a lot for his house.
You have a friend here.
Oh, very good.
Engel: His house was almost burned a few days ago. MADDOW: Why? ENGEL: Because—(
Speak a foreign language)
Because he only-
It comes about two or three hours a day, but it doesn't come all the time.
So, you won't have two or three hours.
Engel: you're going to get a 15-minute blast that blew everything in his house and exploded --
And set fire to the walls.
He lives in the best neighborhood of Baghdad.
But under Saddam, there was 24 hours of power. (
Speak a foreign language)
Engel: He said 24-
An hour of electricity, but sometimes it's rationed, so you have two hours, two hours.
MADDOW: Zohair, what will happen to you for US media, so many US contractors and the military, and all those who leave?
What's going to happen-Engel: not the American army.
You mean all of us? MADDOW: Yes.
Engel: We're still there.
We have an office here. MADDOW: Yes.
But the interests and existence of the United States, everything. (
Speak a foreign language)
Engel: It's hard.
He said he worked with me for eight years.
We have made many very difficult stories in Iraq.
We went to some difficult places to get in.
Now people think I'm American, not Iraqi.
Is that dangerous? (
Speak a foreign language)
Engel: of course.
So if Americans retreat, it's dangerous for me.
What's his plan? (
Speak a foreign language)
Engel: He said he was going to be with me.
Richard, I want him to stay in Iraq so he will stay, he said. (CROSSTALK)
A happy family. ENGEL: Yes.
We have a show, MSNBC.
We will convince him.
Engel: Let's do it. Let‘s do it.
He can do it. MADDOW: Yes. That‘s true.
Come to New York.
You create miracles there. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MADDOW: the show by Richard and Zohair, which is actually what I see in New York or anywhere.
Please stay with us.
We're a lot ahead. (
Business break)(NEWS BREAK)
MADDOW: there are places in the world that you will never find if no one takes you.
There are other places in the world that you may find, but unless you are with someone who really knows what they mean, you will never be grateful.
Luckily, I worked with Richard Engel of NBC. (Start Video)(on camera)
We're on Chicken Street. you can-
Or chicken neighborhood.
Richard Engel, NBC's chief foreign correspondent: That's right.
It is always said that tourists come from here.
On the way over, Richard pointed out with great help that yes, this is where the tourists come.
You are a tourist today.
Engel: that's it. Yes, exactly.
I don't see any other tourists.
I don't think we'll see anyone else anymore.
You are a tourist today.
MADDOW: I 've never had a chance to buy a rug with a gun before, and I'm not sure if I'll have it again, I mean, unless I go out with you.
MADDOW: they always come up.
Afghan life dialogue, tanks.
Made in Afghanistan. Very good.
Is that $20, too?
My mother will be very excited.
That's exactly what she wants, I'm sure.
I think she will be a little disappointed. MADDOW: Why?
Engel: as soon as we saw the stone, you bought a $20 carpet with a gun on it.
Do whatever you want, but I don't think she's going to make an overwhelming impression.
I have one-I have very (UNINTELLIGIBLE)taste.
You say, "Don't you want to buy a sapphire shop?
"Don't you want to buy jade ? "?
"No, I kind of like the gun carpet.
Welcome to Kabul.
Look, I came to Kabul and got a gun rug.
I think I finally got the carpet.
In addition, this will suit my carry. It‘s perfect.
This could be on the scene of Rachel Mado. Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much. Good luck. Thank you.
Engel: have a good time.
Don't you have a gun rug?
Engel: I don't have a gun rug. You know what?
$25, I'll buy you a gun rug right now.
I want to ask you five questions and you are ready to leave.
You can even understand the fact that I want to buy it.
I was shocked. I‘m shocked.
I have never seen anyone buy it.
Baghdad was overthrown here.
This is the end of the Saddam regime, because the picture we captured from Palestine, both of which are symbolic.
That's Palestine over there. we were standing on the balcony of the hotel and taking pictures. S.
The Marines came in and helped the Iraqis tear down the statue.
MADDOW: this has become part of the myth, part of the legend, part of the truth about how the statue collapsed.
I remember working on a local radio station in western Massachusetts that morning.
I drove to work before dawn.
In my previous morning show, these people are talking about anyone who is against war now has to admit that war is a good idea, the jubilant Iraqi people have withdrawn from the statue of Saddam in downtown Baghdad.
They are obviously celebrating.
This is the way it was originally reported.
What exactly happened?
Engel: you can see the square when you go up again.
This is not a big square.
There are hundreds of people on the square. MADDOW: OK.
Engel: So it's not a massive demonstration that millions of people come out to celebrate.
The Americans helped them pull it down.
There was a very embarrassing moment. UNINTELLIGIBLE)
Americans put American flags on it.
MADDOW: That's right.
Engel: then, they-
On the front of the statue, yes.
Engel: American Flag-
It is tied to 9/11, a flag that has been in New York all the time.
Then they quickly erected the statue,
MADDOW: which one is-
Engel: not very good.
This is the damage caused by the previous explosion-
From the subsequent explosion
Should we go in? (CROSS TALK)
I will tell you exactly where we have the camera.
Can we see from this picture?
Engel: where can we shoot, where can you see all the shots, where can you see all the places where all this is happening.
Strangely, the man who was in that square at the time
I was listening to them cheering.
They did not cheer for the end of the United States, the end of Saddam Hussein.
This is freedom, freedom.
They're shouting. UNINTELLIGIBLE)Sadr. MADDOW: Sadr?
Engel: they cheered Sadr.
They cheer for mukhtada al. Sadr.
Mukhtada al-Sadr? ENGEL: Exactly.
They are sending out a sectarian chant for Shi'ite.
Engel: With the withdrawal of regulations.
That's why they shouted at this place. MADDOW: Yes.
You see, it's not going to be a local radio station either.
Engel: I was covering it at the time.
I said, look, this is just the beginning of a big deal.
They did not cheer for America and democracy.
They cheered a Shiite cleric.
But in America-
I mean, we
As Americans, we are very eager to reflect the glory of war to us.
I mean, given what the American people wanted to hear at the time, it was perfect for a flag tied to 9/11.
It has nothing to do with reality. And just as -
Like no contact. (CROSS TALK)
Engel: It's really on the statue.
His face was tied with a flag of 9/11 to connect.
MADDOW: It's a perfect metaphor for what's actually happening here, and Saddam's fall here means something very different from what's meant in America and what we want it to mean in America.
We just invented it and put it there as if it was true.
We can always be surprised that things are not going their way (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
Solved in our myth. ENGEL: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)Sadr.
That's what they called.
So they were happy that Saddam was gone. MADDOW: Yes.
But the reasons are completely different.
MADDOW: they are happy because there are Shiites who are getting rid of Sunni leaders.
Engel: Sadr, a Shiite leader, was killed by Saddam Hussein, which was also empowered.
So this is revenge. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MADDOW: sometimes there's nothing more clear than seeing where it happened to talk to the people present at the time it happened.
I interviewed Richard Holbrooke and Vice President Joe Biden. (
Business break)(Start Video)
MADDOW: on the Iraq issue, after coming back from there, I feel-
If I forget all the history, I just think very, very widely that we have 7 and a half years of American existence in Iraq, $1 trillion, all lost lives, all-
Everything spent there.
Leaving there, there was no electricity in Baghdad and no pain for the Iraqi people, and over the years the prospect of electricity for stability and peace in Iraq and the impact of civil society appeared to be more than a list.
If we can do something, it seems to be the best thing we can do for the Iraqi people.
Why not America? S.
Give priority and let them at least remember us?
Biden: By the way.
We will when we leave. Number one.
I 've been there-
I don't know, 14, 15 times.
There is much more power than it was when the war started and before.
MADDOW: in Baghdad. BIDEN: Well -
In Baghdad, Saddam returned a lot of power to the rest of the country. BIDEN: Yes -no, no. No. But nationwide. Nationwide.
It will get better and better, but it is a long process.
When we leave Iraq next year,
We will leave militarily.
However, we are greatly increasing our civilian staff.
I mean, it's important.
I'm having a monthly meeting --
Our people in Iraq and every member of our cabinet.
I have Minister of Commerce, Minister of Education, Minister of Finance, Minister of Agriculture.
We're all working with Iraqis now.
Provide the ability to help them build institutions in order to function, including how to make the grid work.
This is a process.
We will not give up.
MADDOW: It takes a long time.
Biden: it isabsolutely.
It's not easy.
But we're bringing our kids home, including my son. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MADDOW: Vice President Joe Biden is more optimistic about the current situation of the Iraq and Iraq wars in 2010.
Few know and influence American war policies better than Obama. Biden.
There may be fewer people who know or influence the United States. S.
I had the privilege of interviewing Richard Holbrooke on Afghanistan and Pakistan this year. (Start Video)(on camera)
I think the strategic question is, what can we do in 10 years, and what can we not do in 1 to 9 years?
Going there, I feel the nuance or the deeper part of the question is about how we offset the negative effects of the time we spent there.
It's not just that we didn't do well in training Afghan troops before and now, we did better.
Once you 've done it in 10 years, you're actually doing some damage because you're trying to do it in a way you-
They have been used to the existence of the United States for 10 years.
They have been used to the international presence for 10 years.
Frankly, every month, we put another $5 billion into the Afghan economy, and the corruption and invalidation of the Afghan economy seems to have caused a lot of damage just by staying, maybe the clock is running out.
Richard Holbrooke, special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan: Well, I don't think so.
I think the Afghan people
First of all, it's not 10 years, it's just a learning point.
It's really more than eight.
Secondly, the atmosphere is completely different many times.
The Taliban's revival began about five years ago and Washington has completely ignored it.
That's why we find ourselves in this position.
But as far as your core point of view is concerned, I don't see any evidence that people are giving up international presence.
This is also not supported by polling data.
The desire of the International Union, the United StatesS.
Keep it up, keep it quite high, but people want something that they know very well.
They want a just government system, so corruption is a huge problem. we are concerned about it.
President Karzai has agreed that he has upgraded the government's anti-corruption office.
They hope that, like the Americans, this is not an unfinished war;
Therefore, it is important to join the reintegration and reconciliation programme.
They want to bring their lives back, which means that agriculture is emphasized.
This is an agricultural country that exported agricultural products before the Soviet invasion in 1978.
We need help to restore agriculture.
We make agriculture number one in the world.
Security priority in this management.
In the previous government, they had more money than agriculture to destroy opium poppy.
When you were in the south, you saw it yourself.
Now, we are not looking for the poor poppy farmers.
We're going to hunt down drug lords and bans.
So we have to make these changes.
These changes have been seen.
But we must also address the most critical issue, which is security.
Safety is the key.
I was really surprised to be ready to talk to you today and read a lot of your briefings and interview notes from others. And upon -you are -
You often fight with your questioner.
You're not very aggressive about me, and I'm a little skeptical about it.
Well, you know, I didn't mix you up with Chris Matthews.
MADDOW: no one has ever done that.
I would like to know if you often fight with the questioner in briefings and interviews, because you feel that the media often get the story of the war in Afghanistan wrong.
Do you think the media is blowing?
Do you think the American people really understand what's going on?
Holbrooke: I think the local journalists in Afghanistan are very good, very good.
One of the best ever. And I get the -I don‘t have -
I don't always agree with what they write.
They have work to do.
But I wouldn't have an issue with people like Carlotta Geer, Dexter ferkins, or Constable Pamela.
They are brave people.
They were with the troops and I read with great interest what they wrote. I think people
I think journalists in Washington have different influences, and neither are you.
You're not in Afghanistan.
I have never fought journalists in Afghanistan, nor have I competed with journalists in other areas I have been involved in.
But reporters in Washington are not what you think they are.
They have stories and they are addicted to their stories.
But these are not
These are not real interviews.
You and I are having a conversation here, and I hope that will illustrate the situation.
Am I naturally aggressive?
Well, I 've read it, but it seems to me that this is inherent in the work.
This is a work involving fighting.
Every day we have American men and women who risk their lives, give their lives and get hurt. we are working on this problem and we should do what we can.
Time is precious here.
I don't want to see it slip away.
But what I have just said to you is my own firm belief, but this is what President Obama said in a slightly different context, both in public and in private, and I not only agree with him, but I think we all have to remember what this is all about.
As you showed last week, we have sent young men and women to one of the most difficult places in the world, risking their lives.
Those of us sitting in Washington must do what we can to get the support they need and make the strategy work.
Ambassador Richard Holbrook, United States of AmericaS.
The special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, thank you for your time.
This is a real honor, Sir. Thanks a lot.
My pleasure. (END VIDEOTAPE)(
Business break)(Start Video)
Kent Jones, MSNBC reporter (on camera)
: If there is a poo Hall of Fame, this person is in there.
Professor Jim Mead
Nice to be here.
Jim Mead, a professor at Tennessee State University: that's great, but don't call me a professor, just call me Jim. I-
You know, it's better to call me Jim to learn these materials.
Jones: keep you down to earth.
Yes, it keeps me down to earth.
JONES: So how many pieces do you have in total?
Mead: How much feces do we have? JONES: Yes.
Mead: between 800, 900-
In fact, there are 900 to 1,000 specimens in almost every continent.
JONES: That's one.
Delete dirty words)load.
Mead: a lot.
Why is poo important?
Mead: Well, I mean, feces are important if you have certain problems.
So, if you want to know what an animal has eaten, maybe why it died, you need to look at the feces because it's something thrown out of the animal. OK? JONES: Yes.
Mead: So, if you want to identify feces and know what animals are there, then you need to refer to something.
Compare this with that one.
You said, Oh, I have so much feces.
Jones: pick a few and discuss it with me.
Here, this is-JONES: Wow!
This is the African elephant, loxodonta. you can see that it is not very good to chew.
This is a very poor liar.
It's just 600 pounds of things that pump out 500 pounds and that's what it is.
This is the rhino. JONES: Yes.
Mead: and rhino.
Jones: smaller than an elephant. MEADE: Yes.
This is long and thin, mainly grass.
This rhino is a browser.
So it cut things off.
So everything looks like a broken match.
This is the diagnosis.
Although it screams at the other end, it is also a different shape.
It's a little different in shape.
JONES: So the rhino will chew more food.
Mead: like my mother said, I drank 13 times, and then I drank it with a big mouth. Elephant? Not doing that.
Jones: One more thing is the rhino fossil.
What will you do when you get a new sample?
Mead: take it and smell it.
Okay. why? Well.
Well, that sounds weird, too, but if it's over 5,000 years old, it smells different.
Kind of like wine.
Think of it as wine.
JONES: That's what I think now. Yes.
Let's go down. they actually dug there.
Let me show you at close range what it looks like.
We hope to find tap shit.
We have to find it. JONES: Let's go. Come on.
What cool thing happened here?
Mead: they are looking for the bones of all the different types of creatures here, which is very important to rebuild the community.
What I want to see is poo. JONES: Poop. MEADE: Right.
Do we have potential tap shit?
Of course, it will make me very happy.
JONES: So, if I'm going to find the feces of tap, there's a problem here --MEADE: Yes?
Jones: is it right for Christmas?
This is great.
You can't ask for something better than this. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MADDOW: this is our exclusive report on the landmark of brave Kent Jones, his report on poo. Oh, gross.
Yes, yes, because you don't think the idea of Poo Museum is funny, because poo is not funny. Please.
Kent found a lot of interesting places on the show.
But once in a while, what's really interesting about the show is people we don't really know. (
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This is a photo of Rachel Mado, mad cow. I‘m sorry.
You don't have to know too much about her to know that she is lesbian.
She looks Manly.
She has wide shoulders.
Her neck is as thick as Bull Connor.
Her hair is short.
Her arms crossed over almost non-existent breasts.
But this is the case.
Come closer, this is what I see.
What's on her neck?
A little closer.
It looks a bit suspicious to me.
So I went to the other pictures of Rachel Mado, and sure enough-
Look at this.
Although she cried inside, she smiled with short Manly hair.
Zoom in a little bit and get closer.
What do you think this is like?
It was a vampire bite.
MSNBC, the Socialist, Nazi Bolshevik Channel hired a lesbian vampire to put her in a place where a child could see her.
We asked a lesbian vampire to comment on America. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Mado: Now, I'm exposed and I can't be sure I'll see you on Monday.
But I hope you have a good weekend.
Now, can someone turn off those terrible lights?
This is a report card in a hurry.
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