the rachel maddow show, transcript 05/03/10 - containment boom

by:Demi     2019-09-14
the rachel maddow show, transcript 05/03/10  -  containment boom
Keith olbermann, host of "Countdown": now, join you on a live stream from Venice, Luiz Anna state, to learn about the latest impact of the oil spill there
Ladies and gentlemen, here's Rachel Mado.
Good evening, Rachel.
Host: Good evening, Keith.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Thank you for staying with us.
Tonight we're in Venice, Luna.
A place affectionately called the end of the world.
It is located at the mouth of the Mississippi River, the closest to the current oil spill from the Deep Water Horizon on the U. S. mainland, a mile below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, and only nine miles off the coast.
Over a square mile of oil is threatening these ecologically fragile coastal wetlands.
Such a profound environmental disaster has prompted oneRepublican to change his idea of the extra simple benefits of 08, and the damn consequences have made him cry, "Drill, baby, drill.
"Governor Schwarzenegger took dramatic steps today to withdraw his support for expanding offshore oil drilling off the Santa Barbara coast in California. (
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Arnold Schwarzenegger®California: I saw oil-drenched birds on TV, unemployed fishermen, massive oil spills, and oil pollution destroying our precious ecosystem.
This will not happen in California. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MoDo: in the Bay Area, the high seas and strong winds have seriously hindered the clean-up.
Many skimming ships were forced to return to ASHRAE, and flights carrying chemical dispersing agents were suspended today.
Although 52 miles of enclosure has been deployed to protect the Gulf Coast, the governor of Alabama reported today that up to 80% of the enclosure had failed --
Thanks to the bad weather.
Other Gulf countries have similar problems.
I 've seen with my own eyes some of the boom types that are being deployed here, and I can tell you that they don't inspire confidence.
The weather forecast for tomorrow is very good.
The southwest and north winds will help keep the oil off the coast, but scientists worry that the oil spill will reach what they call the "circulation", which will push the oil to the Florida Keys and the East Coast.
Now, stop fishing in oil.
The affected areas, including some fishing grounds, are certainly not all of the loveranna states, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida coasts.
These suspensions are in the next 10 days because of the U. S.
Officials investigated the impact on seafood.
Scientists have also examined the remains of 25 dead turtles that have been rushed to the Mississippi coast.
So far, they have not found that oil pollution is the cause of the deaths of these turtles.
With regard to efforts to control the leak, BP began drilling crude oil on a relief well yesterday, spewing at least 210,000 gallons a day.
But the Coast Guard says it will take at least 90 days to complete.
It took me 90 days to drill the first well that was blown now.
It is not expected to be easy to drill these wells. Tomorrow, B. P.
Hope to put down the first of the three containment areas at the top of the three leak points so that the leaking oil can flow to the barge on the water.
They want these container domes to run in a week, although they have never tried on a lake so large and so deep.
A robot submarine is pulling chemical dispersion out of the drain. But B. P.
Waiting for a visual end (AUDIO BREAK)
Automatic is trying to install a shut-off valve at the end of a leak point today.
There was no news about the results of that attempt.
The CEO and chairman of BP both met today with members of the Obama administration. And B. P.
Transocean officials will inform the House Supervisory Committee tomorrow of the oil spill
Looking forward to fireworks.
Brian Williams, of course, is the anchor and editor-in-chief of the Evening News, joining us in Venice, Luis Anna.
Thank you very much for your time, Brian.
Brian Williams from NBC Evening News: Thank you for inviting me.
MADDOW: So far, what can you add to our report on container efforts?
Williams: Well, I can learn something from the head of wildlife and fisheries in the prakming parish where we are.
They have decided that they have shared their plans with President Obama, created a small head, string a series of barges, fishing boats and boom, whether the boom is not ready yet, try putting up a wall as you have noticed.
The official said to me: "We will not let this oil flow into our country.
They were very excited about the slow East shift.
We met a happy coincidence today. This is—
It is blocked by currents and winds at sea.
But asomi said-
They are not avoiding bullets, but they are getting bigger and bigger at sea. MADDOW: Yes.
Williams: This slide is as big as Delaware.
There is no other way to put it.
MADDOW: We 've always heard that the deep water drilling itself is almost the frontier of human technological capabilities. It‘s like—
They think this is similar to the technological feat of sending humans into space.
However, have we created a problem with this amazing technology that we don't know how to solve?
Does anyone know what full impact this will have?
Do we have advanced technology to stop it?
Williams: by definition, we have reached the external limits of technology. MADDOW: Yes.
Williams: By the way, we made bugs in the state of Luis Anna, which is the biggest benefit by turning on the lights.
This is their happiest habitat.
But I think we're on the edge.
You need to drill a Middletown.
You have a blowout preventer that has been blocked from stopping at the wellhead so far.
I said tonight, at the end of our broadcast, people have reason to feel uneasy about the country that won World War II sending people to the moon, and for that, you know, the iPod came out and couldn't-
Even if it's a mile-
The leakage of the well cannot be prevented.
Because there is a huge time bomb near the coast of Luis Anna, this is a reasonable setback.
MADDOW: Politics and Strategy-
It is clear that the decision was made after the Exxon Valdez disaster, and an oil company responsible for cleaning up the oil spill. Williams: Yes.
MADDOW: when government officials talk to us about this in real time, we will hear that we will have an EPA administrator in a moment.
What we hear is almost a recognition that oil companies know more than regulators, almost admit-
In terms of its company, there is-
The real expertise is right here.
When government officials supervise these companies, they may be at a technical disadvantage.
Can this be remedied?
In fact, is this the same problem that we have on Wall Street with the SEC trying to regulate derivatives they don't understand?
Williams: We just came out of a government, and a Republican friend reminded me today that he said, when we appoint industrial members, tell you all your Democratic friends, as a former industry member of the regulator-in some cases, this is because only those who walk on the rig know from the feeling of drilling a mile underwater, you can know the most clearly how to turn around and know the secrets of industry and commerce.
Could be a side issue.
But it's too urgent.
As you have pointed out, the lesson learned here may be a disaster that has surpassed Valdez.
You spent so much time covering Hurricane Katrina.
When you think of the same area, the parish of prakmyns was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, not just NewOrleans, but these low-
Lying parish, can you feel it, can you start estimating it?
From here on, talk to people who have experienced these two disasters.
About comparison scale?
Well, I will tell you.
I 've been thinking after katrinappeople can still work. This may—
All of this should be shrimp catching and they can't work.
That's what they did.
This is such a noble and incredible profession.
When they start the season, they go out for five to seven days, 24/7 days at a time.
When ordering shrimp cocktails at a New York restaurant, no one will think of them.
But that's where the bay shrimp comes from.
It is the best thing in the world.
These are the best people in the world in this regard.
So it will be a slow Hurricane Katrina.
By the way, you know, people are tired and still moving on because it's like
Like a Hurricane moving at sea.
It was getting bigger and bigger in that period. MADDOW: Yes.
Williams: So I think it will have a huge impact.
If it's at the top of an estuary, you 've seen the surrounding wildlife, catastrophic.
There's a reason Teddy Roosevelt came here.
MADDOW: Here's the connectivity of the ecosystem.
Williams: of course.
MADDOW: we were able to go out today with a sports fisherman who showed us some areas of his fishing and talked about the connectivity of these Heves, here, you can't really isolate one thing from another. It‘s so—
It is terrible and incredibly impressive.
Brian Williams, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
Williams: Thank you for inviting me. Good luck. MADDOW: Yes.
Well, they're all union salaries, so they make money here. WILLIAMS: Yes. OK.
Great.
The disaster began at Sea 50 miles away with a deadly explosion.
Then within two days, a mile below it gets worse.
It wasn't clear at first how serious the spill would be, but is the response positive enough?
Lisa Jackson, director of environmental protection, was next to him to try to clarify.
Also, we go out today to see for ourselves what the dangers are here, and talk to some people who make a living in these waters about what they want most now in this response.
Our special program on the Gulf disaster continues live from Venice, Luis Anna.
Please be sure to stay with us. (
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What did the Obama administration do?
How long have they done it, is there more to do now?
Next is the question of Lisa Jackson, director of environmental protection, who joined our lives.
Please be sure to stay with us. (
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MADDOW: It's been almost two weeks since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded off the southern coast of the state of Luis Anna
About 52 miles from where I am now.
In the 13 days after the explosion, with the death of 11 oil drilling workers, the situation here has evolved from a tragic and shocking state, with the sinking of the rig and the constant release of tens of thousands of gallons of oil per day, this is frightening.
Since then, this spill has once again been shocking, and this unstable flow of crude oil is much larger than it originally seemed.
How did we get here?
So far, how is the reaction?
Well, this is a tick.
Know what happened.
At about 10: 00 P. M. on April 20, an explosion occurred on the Deepwater oil rig.
Next is a fullhands-on-
US-led search and rescue mission on deckS. Coast Guard.
During the operation in April 22, destroyed oil leaked into the Gulf of Mexico.
That was when President Obama received an Oval Office briefing from senior coast guard officials and other senior government officials.
The next day, on April 23, the Coast Guard canceled the search and rescue mission and announced that there was no oil leakage from the underwater oil well.
That was 10 days ago.
B. The next day. P.
Officials acknowledge that, in fact, oil leaks from the well at what they call 1,000 barrels a day.
Over the next few days, 1,000 federal, state and private personnel will be mobilized to try to contain the leak.
Thousands of fleets-
The area was allocated tens of thousands of feet of inflatable boom. Robot-
The control submarine was used to try to stop the leak, and the executive officers, including Valerie Jarrett and Janet Napolitano, were basically with B. P. executives.
Four days later, April 28, the situation became worse.
Coast Guard officials have announced that the daily oil spill is not 1,000 barrels, but 5,000 barrels.
Five times more than previously estimated.
This is also when they begin to implement a combustion control strategy for surface oil.
The next day, President Obama made his first public comment on the disaster, with the rig sinking a week ago and the scope of the disaster becoming clear a day later.
Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security, announced that the incident was "national" when the federal government's response began to escalate;
The Interior Ministry sent teams to inspect other platforms and rigs in the area.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates has announced he will mobilize the Luiz Anna National Guard to help the community cope with the oil spill.
The Navy sent skimming systems and contractors to the area.
The Air Force deployed two C-
130 aircraft equipped with air spraying system.
President Obama appointed president of the United States on SaturdayS.
Coast Guard commander ThadAllen directed the oil spill. Yesterday, Mr.
Obama personally came to the state of Luis Anna, where I now witnessed this with my own eyes.
13 days, BP.
Responsible for this clean-up.
Supervision by the federal government.
The government's response to this disaster has increased to zero to 60, which either feels the time is fast or feels timeless, depending on how clear you are afterwards.
Anyway, it's not over yet.
This is an ongoing, uninspected disaster and measures have been taken to mitigate it.
But the leak was not resolved.
Now we are joined by Lisa Jackson, director of environmental protection.
She is from the state of Luis Anna.
She is traveling here on weekends.
Administrator Jackson, thank you very much for your time tonight.
Lisa Jackson, EPA director: Hi, Rachel. How are you?
I'm fine. Thank you.
I know you 've been communicating with those leading rescuers tonight.
Can you add anything in our latest knowledge of this reply?
I think your schedule is good.
As you said, I was only there for three days and met with community members and leaders from the Coast Guard and my own staff --
Of course, staff from Mississippi, parish and county governments.
I think, as you have described, this acceleration is an accurate way to talk about what is happening on the ground.
I know it's B. P.
The responsibility to pay for this disaster
The president himself has repeatedly reiterated this.
But frankly, while they have been responsible for blocking it for the last 13 days, it has been going on for 13 days and has not been fixed. Has B. P.
Does Giventoo have a lot of control over the response?
I know you met with their CEO earlier today. JACKSON: Yes.
You know, one of the things that I think we have to remember is that some things are B. P.
There is some expertise and expertise in oil companies.
In your previous section, you mentioned the fact that this is cutting-edge technology.
I agree with all this.
There are some things that the government is very good.
For example, estimates of leakage
Our estimate of B is too low. P.
From the government.
The Environmental Protection Agency is conducting air monitoring and we are mobilizing through the Coast Guard to deal with the coastline --
I think the government can and must take the lead in providing some assurance to citizens.
MADDOW: how can any company get government approval to drill in water deeper than they know how to clean up?
I mean, it looks like a fundamental issue for the government.
First approve this type of drilling.
We know that what's happening here is even more than B. P.
This is their worst case.
Shouldn't they be approved to do so in the first place?
You know, Rachel, I think this is just one of the many questions that we all want to find time to answer with facts --
The fact that we get now, the fact that we will continue to get.
One thing I think is clear is that there should be one
This spray-proof valve is safe here.
Not safe at all.
No success.
Sadly, there is not much redundancy in the system.
So we found B. P.
In order to stop the continued release of oil, it is now necessary to turn to innovative technology.
MADDOW: Earlier today, Texas Governor Rick Perry said at an event that the disaster, talking about the disaster, said, "from time to time, something will happen, this is the act of God, which cannot be stopped.
"My feeling is that this is not the act of God.
This is the behavior of ofB. P.
In a sense, they are responsible for the occurrence of this situation, because they are responsible for the oil flowing from the bottom of the sea.
How do you react to this, the idea that this is unpreventable?
Jackson: I just don't understand this rush of trying to determine what's going on and, more importantly, what that means.
I strongly agree with the view that we all need to think about what it means in the future. But right now—
Now, we have to focus on the people who are affected --
Of course, it was originally about the missing and missing people.
But we must stop oil from flowing out of the sea.
It came out and made a bad problem worse.
So, I don't want to guess why the governor said what he did.
This is a mechanical failure.
We may find something else with it.
But now, failure is a fundamental failure --safemechanism.
MADDOW: Speaking to the people here in Venice today, my conversation with the people came back to the same thinking again and again.
No one believes we can do that.
No one has any confidence that we are capable or capable of 5,000 feet metres below the seaP.
Is there any ability, or anyone has the ability to shut down something that is gushing.
Do you have confidence in capping?
Jackson: I don't have confidence, but I have to believe that we can't rest until the top is capped.
I mean, people on the Gulf Coast, when I talked to them yesterday, there was a fatalism.
If you live along the Gulf Coast, if you live there and you are below sea level, all of this is to protect you --
We all know something's wrong.
We have some examples recently that they are wrong.
What I have always said to people is that we have to rely on the flexibility and expertise of the people there.
We have to listen as much as we can because we have some ideas.
It is clear that the technology that controls this situation may arise from the industry that develops this technology to dig deeper.
I believe we will have a lot of conversations about the future.
Lisa Jackson, director of environmental protection
Thank you for your time tonight.
The whole country wants this solution and wants you to play a leading role on this issue as part of the government.
Thank you for your time.
Thanks Rachel for being with those guys.
I'm sure they're glad you're here.
Well, I know there are a lot of bugs.
Thank you, madam. I appreciateit.
Today, I went to the Bay with captain JoshBodenheimer on his boat-the super strike-to try and see exactly what happened to myself.
Our special disaster in the Bay continues live from Venice in the state of Luis Anna.
Please be sure to stay with us.
We will be back soon. (
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President barack obama: Let me be clear. P.
Responsible for the leak. B. P.
I will pay the bill.
Interior Minister ken salazar: Our job is basically to put the boots around BP's neck to fulfill their responsibility. (End Video Clip)
MADDOW: President and Interior Minister Ken Salazar made it clear who will pay for the Deepwater oil spill.
BP may need about $14 billion or more to clean up the problem, they say. B. P.
Last week it said it had spent $6 million a day on cleaning up.
A fact sheet on the Deepwater Horizon Response website says they will pay compensation, citing "legal and objective verification of losses and damages caused by the leak", citing, "The application of laws and regulations is envisaged.
Start today with P. R. blitz as B. P.
Tony Hayward, CEO, made a big splash on TV. (
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Tony Hayward, CEO of BP: It's not our accident, but we have absolute responsibility for cleaning up the oil.
It's not our accident, but it's our responsibility to deal with it.
It's not our accident, it's a rig run by another company.
It's their people, their systems, their processes. (End Video Clip)MADDOW: Mr.
Hayward walked very carefully while taking responsibility and blamed Transocean, the world's largest offshore well drilling company.
Owner of the Deepwater Horizon drilling platform.
The blowout preventer on the rig failed to stop the flow of oil.
Face dozens of lawsuitsP.
Given that environmental damage has been and will continue to occur, damage control is under way for its reputation and responsibility.
Despite all this, not sure B. P.
I have to pay.
In addition to the cost of containment and cleanup under the Oil Pollution Act of 1990, federal law limits the amount of damagesP.
Will be responsible-
Buy this. $75 million. That‘s it. $75 million.
Decline in the expected barrel.
This limitation of responsibility is the goal of the "big oil White Dew prevention law" issued today.
The bill seeks to raise liabilities from $75 million to $10 billion.
Now we are joined by Democratic Senator Bob Mendez of New Jersey.
The sponsor of the big oil rescue Prevention Act.
Senator Mendez, thank you very much for your time.
Thank you for joining us. SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D)
Nice to be with you, Rachel.
Thank you to Louisiana
MADDOW: your legislation will raise the liability ceiling to $75 million from $10 billion.
If it passes, it will-
Will it take effect immediately?
Will it be retroactive to include this disaster behind me? MENENDEZ: Yes.
You know, we have a precedent for this super fund, and ultimately, to clean up toxic waste sites that, you know, used to be contaminated by polluters.
So, this is basically the terms that Apollo should pay.
In this case, it is B. P. and Transocean.
MADDOW: the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 also taxed oil companies in exchange for the current limit of liability, which is $75 million.
They produce or import 8 cents a barrel in the country.
If you were going to raise this cap from $75 million to $10 billion, would we expect that to mean a new big tax on oil, a change in oil costs?
Actually, you know, B. P. just posted $5.
Last quarter profit was 5 billion.
It's not income, it's profit.
So if they can do $5.
5 billion in the three-month profit, it seems to me that they are in the $5 range with other companies and many others. 5 billion.
Exxon has more than $6 billion. Some had $2. 5 billion.
The bottom line is to take responsibility for what we call the amount of about $10 billion, and if they have an oil spill, they will not end up doing so much damage to them.
Secondly, you know, oil is really under control in the OPEC market.
So, at the end of the day, oil prices don't necessarily soar because we think the polluters are responsible for their actions.
You know, I heard the sound of BPexecutive, I know-
You know, you can try to shirk responsibility and try to be responsible.
At the end of the day, it's the responsibility of $75 million, and yes, you know, we 've been hearing the president say BP is in charge of all the cleanup and effort, but you have those ecosystems when the disaster is over, you have those fishermen, you have coastal communities, the estuary will eventually be affected, who will they turn?
And the oil spill fund, which is only about $1.
5 billion it is not enough to be simple now. every accident has a limit of 1 billion US dollars. you know, I'm afraid at the speed of our oil spill, unfortunately, I think it will be more than "Exxon Valdez" and it just doesn't help the people of Luis Anna and the entire Bay Area.
MADDOW: Senator Menendez, speaking here today with the fishermen about "Exxon Valdez", not only did it set a precedent in the legal aspects that it later passed, but how it determined that spiller would be responsible for the clean-up, but also thinking about what happened to fishermen who paid the most direct cost, the most direct human cost.
The Exxon Valdez has been in court for decades.
On 2008, the Supreme Court finally ruled.
Due to the "Valdez" leak, many people finally got a reduced settlement from Exxon.
So many fishermen who made initial claims have died at the time of the final settlement that everyone who saw it was clear that something was wrong.
Will your legislation also address the timeliness of people being compensated for losing their livelihoods?
Mendez: Rachel, we think the first thing that happened to the Supreme Court and "Exxon Valdez" was that they reduced the penalty.
My legislation is about responsibility.
Therefore, the ability to live will appear immediately.
Make up your mind and you can get $10 billion.
In doing so, we create opportunities for fishermen, coastal communities, businesses, and all those who end up being hurt by the leak to not only receive compensation in their lifetime, but more immediately.
Mr. Chairman, Democratic Senator Bob Mendez of New Jersey, thank you very much for your time tonight.
We really appreciate it.
Menanddez: Thank you.
MADDOW: I ventured today with CaptainJosh Bodenheimer to the Gulf Coast waters, one of the five local fishermen that President Obama met to discuss the impact of the oil spill on the whole regionThat‘s next.
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MADDOW: This afternoon, I met with a local fishing boat captain on the second day of his meeting with President Obama.
CaptainBodenheimer, one of the five fishermen who met with the president yesterday, took us on his boat today, the "super strike", which came from Venice.
We're going to see what the danger is, and many people say, it's the best, if not the best, sports fishing ground anywhere in the country. (
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So, this is a 32-
Foot charter.
You have been doing it for seven years.
If this leak, if this disaster is as bad as it is going to happen, what do you think is your choice?
What would you do if you couldn't do that? CAPT.
Business fisherman josh bodenheimer: try not to think about it at this point.
At the same time, I think I was cleaning up the oil.
But I really don't want to do anything else or I ever thought about it.
This is what I have been doing, this is what I want to do. MADDOW: Yes.
BODENHEIMER: until I did nothing.
That's what I want to do.
This is a big thing. we are all worried about being forced to change our way of life and not doing what we like to do.
We are lucky to find a job. MADDOW: Yes.
As far as the prospect is concerned, you will think of such a landscape, which is a kind
This is a landscape where a leak can be submerged by oil if it is carried out the way they think it is.
This type of swamp will be hit first.
BODENHEIMER: Yes.
MADDOW: If this happens, I mean, I can't imagine trying to clean it out right now if there's oil there.
I try to imagine how long a disaster like this can affect the fishery once it gets ashore.
I mean, is it the kind of thing that can be cleaned effectively anyway?
Will fisheries die indefinitely?
How long does nature need to clean up something like this?
BODENHEIMER: based on what you know about "Exxon Valdez", there are still thousands of gallons of oil there.
We all have this concern.
How do they get the oil out?
Is there even a chance to get all the oil out?
If oil starts to enter our coastline, how much oil will it leave behind.
This will not be one of the first areas to be affected. MADDOW: Yes.
BODENHEIMER: You know, but we don't have a solid coastline.
All these coastal swamps we have are interconnected.
So, if we start to re-mine oil in our swamp, we don't know where it will be.
When and how we find it.
MADDOW: in terms of their right choice on how to deal with this, I don't want to call it an overflow because it's not like something that's spilled is limited.
Yes, the flood. MADDOW: Yes.
For Charlie Crist today or yesterday, it is called an underwater petroleum volcano because it has not stopped.
BODENHEIMER: Yes.
MADDOW: but in terms of their choice to stop it now, they are talking about trying to cover it and vacuum the oil to the surface.
They also talked about placing the dispersing agents they used to use on the surface of the seabed next to the source of the leak and dispersing the oil in this way.
Do you know what this means for fisheries, fisheries and the whole system?
BODENHEIMER: I don't necessarily agree with them.
It will be the first time in the United States, they said. s.
They tried to spread the oil to the history below the surface.
In terms of what they think they are doing with oil, it just gives us an invisible, invisible feeling.
With so much oil settling at the bottom, what is the potential impact on our fisheries? Moving around?
The whole shrimp and crab industry is getting rusty?
Now they will have shrimp fishing boats picking and filling up large chunks of shrimp fishing boats to disperse the oil at the bottom.
The important thing is, who would want to eat this?
How are these guys going to sell?
MADDOW: looks like-
Drive right here, down route23, look at the industry, look at the business, look-
You know, in terms of where people's trucks work, it's kind of like giveaways in the oil industry and takeout in the oil industry.
The economic backbone here is clearly the fisheries and oil industries.
BODENHEIMER: Yes.
MADDOW: even literally, the oil rig provides a habitat for the fish you catch as a charter captain.
But there are risks.
What do you think is the balance between the good and the bad of the oil industry here?
I mean, with oil coming, what is the future of the state of Luis Anna?
BODENHEIMER: this is caused by human error.
This can be avoided.
Because they have made mistakes, the risk should not be as high as it is now.
If they don't make the key mistakes and do different things, we won't be affected.
Frankly, if BP doesn't let that happen, we won't have that conversation right now.
When you-
What did you do when President Obama was here this weekend and you met him?
I don't know if you want me to understand the captain's privilege of your president, but what advice did you give him, or did you tell him what you were facing here?
BODENHEIMER: I'm more listening to suggestions from others to him that cover almost the issues that we're focused on.
This limits the overall health of our entire ecosystem, just like what we will do once oil stops and the entire clean-up process.
Then, the other thing is that someone else asks us that the business we are losing is reimbursed. MADDOW: Yes.
BODENHEIMER: President Obama says he will make cash flow as fast and as easy as possible.
This is a very important aspect, he said, because we are losing our trips every day.
Most importantly, people don't call to book a trip, like if the phone doesn't --
I mean, if we don't deal with this oil spill, the phone will keep ringing. MADDOW: Yes.
As far as I know, after "Exxon Valdez", in order to reach an agreement, it is the responsibility of the oil company to clean up if something similar happens, they know how much responsibility oil companies have to pay to people like you, whose livelihoods have been damaged by oil spills like this.
Their capital is good and their cap is $75 million.
This is one of the things they are now considering trying to change in a panicked way.
BODENHEIMER: Yes.
They must do so.
I mean, there are more than $75 million people who will be directly affected by this. MADDOW: Yes.
BODENHEIMER: You know, the seafood industry here is $6 billion a year.
MADDOW: do you think they should stop drilling deep water until they get better control of their safety equipment?
BODENHEIMER: it's not necessarily that all of this has to be stopped because there have been some platforms that have been in production for years, and there's no such problem with these platforms.
But I would say that they may not need to expand other projects until other security issues and risks are assessed. MADDOW: Yes.
Captain Josh Bodenheimer said in the super strike, I'm glad to hear you have a charter tomorrow.
Yes, so do I, madam. (LAUGHTER)
Where are you going?
BODENHEIMER: deep in the Bay.
What are you trying to catch?
Tuna.
MADDOW: not only am I glad you have a charter business, I'm really jealous that I'm not involved.
I hope everything goes well.
BODENHEIMER: you should stay and go with us.
MADDOW: Well, if I quit, there's no other responsibility, I'm fired if I show up tomorrow, but I'm happy to be with you.
BODENHEIMER: Thank you.
Thanks a lot, Josh.
BODENHEIMER: It's a pleasure.
I would appreciate it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
MADDOW: the environmental damage to the Gulf of Mexico is not just to the fisheries, this oil spill could change everything in the ocean behind me.
Larry Schweig from the National Wildlife Federation joins us next.
We live in Venice, Luna.
Please be sure to stay with us. (
Business break)
MADDOW: How the oil spill affects wildlife along the Gulf Coast.
Think about the lovely turtles, the birds, and the seafood we eat.
Next, we will talk to the president of the National Wildlife Federation. (
Business break)
MADDOW: there's a breaking news tonight at a place far from the Bay about Saturday night's failed attempt to explode in Times Square, New York City.
Nbc's justice correspondent, Pete Williams, reports the story. Hehas late-
Broke the development for us.
Pete joins us now from Washington.
Thanks for the time, Pete.
What can you tell us?
Pete Williams, NBC correspondent: Rachel, New York police and FBIagents are focusing on a Pakistani American tonight. S.
Citizens living in Connecticut, believed to be nice Pathfinder driving into Times Square on Saturday night with a bomb, eventually failed.
All they know is that his name is on the email.
Mail sent to the car seller last month.
Although they say there is other evidence, it is one of the strong clues that they are taking action.
The FBI has checked his records and found multiple contacts overseas, but they can't say tonight whether these people are innocent or related to an explosion attempt.
The senior official said that there is a growing sense of whether the Times Square bombings are local or international, that it may have some overseas contacts, but that they cannot keep in touch.
If so, they don't know if it's inspiring or actionable.
They suspect it was directed by a well-known group overseas because the nature of the bomb was so poorly assembled.
As for the idea that more than one person is involved in it, officials say it is largely a theory, although the material found in the car suggests that someone was in the car recently, whether they were related to the bombing has not yet been determined. Rachel.
NBC Justice Correspondent Pete Williams, Pete, thank you very much.
There is no doubt that we will continue to focus on this story, led by your report. Appreciate it.
I am very happy.
MADDOW: on the way to "Countdown", Keith asked Richard Clarke to assess who was trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square over the weekend.
We'll be back from the Gulf Coast of Luis Anna in a while.
Please stay. (
Business break)
Welcome back to Venice in the state of Luis Anna.
Not far from here, BP's massive oil spill injected 5,000 barrels of oil into gulfey Bay, threatening swamps, wetlands and bird habitats, and even further from lufanna to Florida.
The states of Luis Anna and Mississippi have asked the government to declare it a fisheries disaster, thus qualifying the state for federal disaster assistance.
If oil kills grass on the coast, the soil will gradually erode into the ocean as more crude oil flows into the Gulf.
As some have predicted, if the leak takes months to plug, it could be the worst environmental disaster in the history of our country.
Now joining us is Larry Schweig, the president and chief executive of the National Wildlife Federation.
Larry, it's good to have you.
Thank you for joining us.
Larry Schweig, CEO of the National Wildlife Federation: It's great to be with you.
MADDOW: What is the long-term impact?
We obviously don't know.
The long term Size of this leak is, but how do you see the long term
The term impact here?
SCHWEIGER: Well, I think there's a lesson to be learned from what's going on in "Exxon Valdez.
"Last summer, I went back to Prince Williams's beach and scientists actually dug Prince Williams's sand on the beach and found oil in half of the oil they dug.
As a result, oil is still in Alaska, from Prince Williams in Exxon Valdez.
"Scientists have looked at the affected wildlife, 1 out of 3 has been fully restored, and two people in their thirties are still recovering 20 years later.
So, when you have such a massive oil leak, if it really goes into the wetland, and if it goes into the wetland, we worry that it will cause damage before the leak ends, it will take a long time
Long-term impact on regional resources.
When you try to evaluate something like this, does the National Wildlife Federation have a sign of notice, is there a sign of notice, and you are looking for this man --
The impact on the environment?
SCHWEIGER: Well, I think for me on Saturday, I spilled most of the area covered by oil.
You can see that water is unhealthy.
As you can see, there is usually shine without water.
The size of this thing is so large that if you don't see it with your own eyes, it's hard to describe the person, but the oil sitting on the water is also mixed in calm water, for example, it will be occupied by fish, sea fish and oysters to refuel 1,000 times on the calm water.
So, if there is a millionth difference in the calm water, they have a 1,000 millionth difference in the oysters.
So these systems are like vacuum sweepers, they remove contaminants and keep them in the tissue and then enlarge the food chain.
MADDOW: do you think it is possible to effectively clean up spills like this, like this flow?
We 've talked about responsibility, and tonight at the director of environmental protection, Lisa Jackson, we talked about how spiritual communication is, and it's one thing to talk about blame, but it's another thing to stop it.
One of the things we want when we think about responsibility is that someone pays for it, but we also want it to be effectively alleviated.
We hope the disaster will be stopped and cleaned up.
Okay?
SCHWEIGER: Well, I'll flip it in another way, saying BP should have a plan to include water and fishermen in this community.
When the accident happened for the first time, they should have a contract ready to deploy the boom. They weren‘t.
They are training, they are still training, they are still training hard.
You know, it's not handled well.
A long time ago, there was no management plan to protect these waters.
To be frank, Swift and responsible action is a failure that has led to the expansion of the leak to the scale it has, spreading from the Gulf of Mexico in the way it has it.
MADDOW: as the responsible party, is bp's response speed and responsibility, and are you also frustrated with the federal government?
SCHWEIGER: Well, I think there is an entire system that is tilted towards the oil rig.
There are 750 lobbyists lobbying large oil companies in Washington.
The fishermen may have two lobbyists in Washington.
They are under pressure, not in the oil industry.
That's what we have to change.
We must not only make the oil platform safer, but also build a new energy platform for the United States.
It's time for us to leave the oil barrel.
I knew it when I saw a dirty oil ruler.
We need to change the future of our oil.
We need to change direction.
MADDOW: Larry Schweig, president and chief executive of the National Wildlife Federation, thanks for meeting with us.
Schweig: Thank you.
We appreciate it.
Thanks.
So, again, we came to the Gulf Coast of the United States to report a coastline of environmental, economic and human disasters.
Just as the wounds of the last disaster began to heal, this fragile area of our country was torn again, which of course was Hurricane Katrina, which destroyed the islands on the coast here, razed me to sit tonight in most of Venice, the state of Luis Anna. That was2005.
We came again in 2010.
If there is a unified truth in this area in this state, it is that wetlands are the only means of survival.
No one is arguing about these points.
Republicans, Democrats, no one is against this.
The wetlands are on the Gulf Coast and cars have bumpers and crumpled areas.
It is a buffer against impact, an absorber of dispersed energy, and a great protector against disaster.
Before arriving in places like New Orleans, the wetlands were slow and weak.
They support life and the human economy.
They are very, very vulnerable and they have to be protected if they are going to protect us.
These swamps were built by nature for thousands of years and were built by the floods of the xixipi River, which left fresh water settlements.
This pushed the edge of the continent to the Gulf of Mexico for 100 miles.
But since then, more than 1950 people have had to build artificial canals in the 8,000-mile Swamp to chase profits.
It is basically to make it easier for oil exploration and transportation.
It is estimated that 25 square miles of wetlands are lost each year in the state of Luis Anna.
If we lose so much land to another country, we will fall into war.
The United States has a choice for the state of Luis Anna.
Is Luis Anna part of our country?
Because if the state of Luis Anna is part of the United States, then the American people and the United States government must begin to protect the state of Luis Anna from the greed of the United States and multinational companies.
Because yes, legally, it is BP's job to clean up the disaster, which is now hanging over the wetlands behind me.
But who among us thinks that, like our country, any company wants to defend the United States?
The proceeds from the bottom of the sea here are private, it is profit, it replaces these pesky regulators known as the state, but so is the risk here, as always, it is not private.
It's public, it's National, it's American.
It is once again borne by the state of Luis Anna, in fact by the land here and the people here.
These incentives are neatly arranged to allow companies that earn profits from natural resources here to make the most of these resources and disrupt these sequences.
For our country, if we believe in the state of Luis Anna, there will be people who oppose these companies on behalf of the public, the land, the people and the state.
That's what it is for us tonight.
We will see you tomorrow night.
Updates to this story and other stories can be found on our blog, Maddowblog. msnbc. com.
The countdown will continue and it will start now.
Good night from Venice, Luna.
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